Israelis Debate on the Web: Did Norway Get What It Deserved?
(Forward) -- by J.J. Goldberg --
The Norway massacre has touched off a nasty war of words on the Israeli Internet over the meaning of the event and its implications for Israel. And I do mean nasty: Judging by the comments sections on the main Hebrew websites, the main questions under debate seem to be whether Norwegians deserve any sympathy from Israelis given the country’s pro-Palestinian policies, whether the killer deserves any sympathy given his self-declared intention of fighting Islamic extremism and, perhaps ironically, whether calling attention to this debate is in itself an anti-Israel or anti-Semitic act.
The debate seems to be taking place almost entirely on Hebrew websites. There’s a bit of bile popping up on the English-language Jerusalem Post site as well (for example, there are a handful of choice comments of a now-they’ll-know-what-it-feels-like variety following this Post news article reporting on Israel’s official offer of sympathy and aid). In Hebrew, though, no holds are barred. I’ve translated some of the back-and-forth from the Ynet and Maariv websites below, to give you taste.
The debate exploded aboveground on Saturday in an opinion essay at Ynet (in Hebrew only) by Ziv Lenchner, a left-leaning Tel Aviv artist and one of Ynet’s large, bipartisan stable of columnists. It’s called “Dancing the Hora on Norwegian Blood.” He argues that the comment sections on news websites are a fair barometer of public sentiment (a questionable premise) and that the overwhelming response is schadenfreude, pleasure at Norway’s pain. As I’ll show below, that judgment seems pretty accurate....
His article has drawn hundreds of responses—more than any of the articles he complains about. They fall into four basic categories in roughly equal proportions: 1.) Hurray, the Norwegians had it coming; 2.) What happened is horrible but maybe now they’ll understand what we’re up against; 3.) What happened is horrible and the celebrations here are appalling; 4.) This article is a bunch of lies, Ziv Lenchner invented this whole schadenfreude thing because he’s a lying leftist who wants to destroy Israel.
It’s worth noting that at some point late on Saturday several readers found links to Norwegian news sites showing that some kids at the campground where the shooting took place had been brandishing signs a day or two earlier calling for a boycott of Israel. These links were posted (here and here) and the mood quickly got darker—sympathy for the shooting victims dropped fast.
The background to this, as Ynet reported in a news article, is that Norwegian foreign minister Jonas Gahr Store had visited the campsite on Wednesday, two days before the shootings, as he does every year (he was a camper there as a kid) and addressed the group. He was asked from the audience about Palestinian statehood, and he said Norway was looking forward to the Palestinians’ U.N. bid, but he wouldn’t recognize a Palestinian state before that. He was also asked about boycotting Israel. He said it was a bad idea and would make the conflict worse rather than help bring peace. At some point during the day, some of the campers held up the signs that appear in the photos. Israeli readers seem to have concluded that the pictures show the camp program was anti-Israel and therefore fair game...MORE...LINK
Chris Moore comments:
And so history is slowly shaking down to brass tacks in the struggle for the human intellectual mind and moral soul: advocates of Greco-Christian Western civilization and its attendant peace and prosperity mindset vs. Yahweh-worshipping Zionists (both Jewish and Judaized “Christian”), Islamists, and others in the dark, scheming, vengeful thrall of the avaricious, tribal Yahweh mindset or its poisonous manifestations, including Marxism.
The talk surrounding the killings in Norway is getting boring pretty fast, and is mainly garden variety demagoguery at this point--at least from the left.
I've yet to see a single person on the left distinguish between Brevik's views and those of traditional conservatives, or to admit that the rift between left and right is due in large part to the tyranny of the left. Every non-progressive who disagrees multiculturalism is not a racist, potential murderer, nazi, neo-nazi, fascist, or most of the other terms thrown about. Oh well, at least the topic of Jim Crow was shelved for an hour or two.
What Islamists cheered 9/11, Mr. Moore. If you are referring to the photo of cheering Arabs circulated in the media, I am told that there were people, perhaps Palestinians, cheering an entirely different event, and not a display of anti-American display.
I would appreciate you changing your opening statement, unless you have proof that such occurred. We all know how the leaders in Iran and many if not all other countries in the Middle-East sent their condolence about 9/11, and offered assistance.
MCB, I missed what you commented on. Was it removed? I remember seeing CNN footage of Palestinians cheering the 911 attacks, but never saw a reason to believe that the scenes were from different events. Whatever the case is, I understand Palestinian anger towards the U.S. The U.S. does not need to be involved in IP.
That CNN footage showing Palestinians cheering was purely for war propoganda purposes, and CNN lied. Those Palestinias were cheering for totally reasons that had NOTHING to do with 9/11, and did not even occur near that date. CNN should not be trusted!!!
MCB, I don't doubt that CNN would air phony footage, but it doesn't matter. I would expect Palestinians to celebrate harm to America after being on the receiving end of American policies.
What I find interesting about the article linked to is that judging by the comments posted, both zionist Jews and non-zionist leftist Jews tend to have the similar view that immigration can be a destructive weapon to be used against an enemy.
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