Jews & Their Self Interest-An Interview with Philip Weiss
(Veterans Today) -- by Gilad Atzmon --
Over a week ago I emailed to the well- known blogger Philip Weiss, an interesting post written by Nahida (AKA The Exiled Palestinian).
In her article, Jewish Voice For Peace? Really?? , Nahida expresses some sharp criticism of Jewish anti-Zionist groups, forcefully arguing that “Anti-Zionist Jewish organisations are trying to silence Palestine’s supporters, to frame the debate” and to “steer the course of the liberation” of her homeland.
Since Weiss runs the most popular Jewish progressive blog, offering an invaluable source of information regarding Israeli crimes, I thought he might be willing to address Nahida’s criticism, and to discuss it with his many progressive Jewish followers.
Weiss did not post Nahida’s article on his blog, but his discussion with me was brave and honest*, and to a certain extent he affirmed Nahida’s criticism, admitting that it was indeed ‘Jewish self-interest’ that he himself was ‘concerned with’.
Weiss had the following to say on the matter: “I believe all people act out of self-interest. And Jews who define themselves at some level as Jews — like myself for instance — are concerned with a Jewish self-interest. Which in my case is: an end to Zionism. A theory of political life based on altruism or concern for victims purely is doomed to fail.”
Openly and bluntly, Weiss confirmed what many of us have been saying for a very long time: it is not solely ‘altruism’ or concern for Palestinians victims that motivates some of the most prominent Jewish campaigners and organisations, but it is also, as Weiss freely admits, ‘Jewish self-interest.’
I confessed to Weiss that I was overwhelmed by his frankness. I think that Weiss may well be the first Jewish activist to admit , or even to define the Judeo-centric impetus behind the Jewish- progressive political discourse.
I decided to press it further, asking Weiss whether he considered himself to be ‘tribal’?
And once again, Weiss’ answer was brave and honest, though he did start to express some frustration. He answered, “Yes I do at some level. And what bugs me about stuff you send me (I guess that Weiss was referring to Nahida’s article) is that I end up in the end inevitably and predictably at some site trashing Jewish religion, to which I have very little connection, though yes I feel some core ‘Id’** and this makes me think in the end, that dialogue with you will not help ME because I am interested in frying different fish. While you seem out rather reductively to prove the degeneracy of a religion which I’m sure is deeply problematic, as Islam is and the Church of Pedophilia…( sic)”...
I liked the imaginative and poetic manner in which Weiss referred to his own identity. I appreciated his honesty, and I also accepted what seems to be a possible discrepancy between the universal consciousness and the tribal affiliation.
And yet, I really wanted to grasp how Weiss translated his sense of tribalism into a political, or ideological, awareness. I enquired further, to which he responded, ‘I’m against compartmentalized identity but I do think that people are tribal, it’s the nature of the species right now, and the deal is do we call on that or do we try and reduce it? I’m for reducing it but not denying its existence till everyone puts down their shield and that doesn’t seem bloody likely.
I had some “us-ness” from my family, a lot of it, but bridled at it. “Is it good for the Jews?” question bugged the hell out of me. But if Herzl, a Christmas tree Jew like me, was made Jewish by anti Semites, as he was, I was made Jewish by the Neocons. I thought, I’m Jewish too so f**k them with their tribalism.’
You can call it anything you like. you can reduce it to JVP is Jewish, or JVP has multiple dimension. I’m in the multidimensional human camp. My wife is not a Jew. She uses Ayurvedic typology, Jungian typology and Freudian (psychoanalysis) to understand people. She uses Astrology too sometimes. I dip around in all that too and I’m also Jewish and feel a real bond with Jews. Is it Ashkenazi and racist? I’m sure it is at some level. They’re the ones I grew up with. Do I transcend? I hope so.’
That is fairly impressive, I thought to myself : up to that point, Weiss had seemed to be coherent, a healthy amalgam of a self-reflective person who acknowledges his tribalism and roots, yet tries to transcend those aspects.
And yet, I was still slightly confused — I reminded Weiss that only two days earlier he had mentioned in our discussions that Jews like himself were “ concerned with a Jewish self-interest”. I then asked him whether he approved that Jewish anti-Zionist activism may as well be primarily concerned with Jewish interests?
I guess that at that stage, Weiss started to feel irritated or even trapped, for he somehow turned sour, saying : “Primarily concerned with Jewish interests seems a stupid trap to me.”
But, I reminded Weiss that “self-interest” and “Jewish self-interest” had been his own words, quoting to him his initial reaction to Nahida’s post — indeed, Weiss had actually said, “I believe all people act out of self-interest. and Jews ..like myself — are concerned with a Jewish self-interest.”
I suggested to Weiss that I can live with inconsistency — I also offered him the opportunity to feel free to change his words, or amend his narrative to suit his ‘new line’ ( in which he had stated that “primarily concerned with Jewish interests seems a stupid trap”).
I did feel , however, that Weiss should at least be made aware of the contradictions in his own words: after all, one can either argue that “Jews act out of Jewish self-interest” or, one can contend that to be “primarily concerned with Jewish interests is a stupid trap.”
Yet, one cannot have it both ways, and one cannot hold these two views simultaneously, unless an explanation is offered.
But I guess that I asked for too much : Weiss didn’t want to address the contradiction, saying, “( I ) Disown none of them,” explaining to me his opinion that “foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of a little mind.”
At that point, I felt that it would be the right time to disengage, and to leave Weiss alone, just before things got further out of control.
It seems to me that once again, I have failed to converse with a ‘progressive Jew.’ I guess that in spite of the openness Weiss showed initially, he, like mny others, cannot resolve the tension beyond the universal and the tribal.
And by now, I am increasingly certain that this gap cannot be bridged easily, if at all, for the tribal and universal are like water and oil...MORE...LINK
Weiss: "A theory of political life based on altruism or concern for victims purely is doomed to fail.”
Chris Moore comments:
An interesting point, and accurate, I think. Abstractions like "social justice" and "human rights" are mere left-wing platitudes. One needs a tribal spearhead to put them into action...which is what the Jewish Bolsheviks were all about.
But they were even more murderous psychopaths than the Zionists are today, so why does Weiss cling to that model (albeit under the guise of "progressiveism")?
If Weiss believes some form of tribalism is essential to political success, as an American who admires the progressive accomplishments and redeeming aspects of many components of U.S. history and its wide cultural array of participants, why not become an American tribalist...a nationalist...instead of attempting to resurrect the totalitarian Jewish Bolshevik model on the Left?
Somehow, it seems, Weiss would view American nationalism as too parochial, too narrow-minded, too limiting. And this is where Jewish megalomania, control mania and the totalitarian impulse comes into play.
On some level, nearly all left-wing Jews dream of a day when their Jewish clique will rule the world, and there will be no other way of life than their left-totalitarian Jewish way. And that will allow them to have their cake and eat it too; it will allow them to proudly declare their status as Jewish elites, and yet be one with all the unwashed Gentile masses who themselves will declare: You progressive Jews are so exquisite, so refined, so morally and intellectually superior, all humans should, can and must aspire to be like you, of you, as you...there can be no other edifying or worthwhile way of life than the Jewish progressive way. There is no other goal worth working toward.
This, Weiss and his like-minded co-horts fantasize, will finally put an end to the tension between their deepest, Jewish-supremacist impulses and their "universalist" pretensions.
If this control mania sounds somewhat like Christianity and its proselytizing imperative, and one believes this Jewish response is an organic antithesis to Christianity, one would be mistaken. Christianity allows for all manner of schisms, sects, traditions, denominations, and even cults; it doesn't suffer from the kind of totalitarian commandments common to Judaism, and those who have attempted to make it conform to authoritarian centralism have always failed, and indeed, have only succeeded in creating ever more strains, mutations, and sects.
No, this murderous, totalitarian impulse and control mania originates with Jewish religious doctrine, particularly that of the Talmud, of the corrupt Pharisees who hijacked the religion of the Prophets and steered it on Judaism's current evil trajectory (which Weiss seems to believe he can "correct" by altering it back to an evil Jewish-leftist direction), and finally, the maniacal dysfunction originates in Jewish religious doctrine regarding the supposedly yet-to-come Jewish Messiah...a doctrine that betrays the many noxious parallels and commonalities between Jewish-left Communism (excuse me, "progressiveism") that Weiss subscribes to, and the Zionism he professes to hate.
By the way, it seems Judaism has its own profound problems with pedophilia across a wide swath of Jewry from Left to Right, which is unfortunate given that Jewry frowns upon schism and mutations, and demands to "keep it in the family" out of concern for "Jewish self-interest."
Weiss: “I believe all people act out of self-interest."
Nearly all Jews do, that's for sure. It's a religious imperative per Talmudic Jewish doctrine: serve the Tribe and yourself first vis-a-vis the other, the Goyim.
Contrast that with authentic Christian doctrine, which glorifies self-sacrifice in the name of righteousness and justice.
"But if Herzl, a Christmas tree Jew like me, was made Jewish by anti Semites, as he was, I was made Jewish by the Neocons. I thought, I’m Jewish too so f**k them with their tribalism.’...I’m in the multidimensional human camp...I’m also Jewish and feel a real bond with Jews. Is it Ashkenazi and racist? I’m sure it is at some level..."Why doesn't Weiss simply come out and say: I'm an ethnic Jew and oppose the religious supremacist doctrine of the Jewish religion? Because that would mean he views Judaism as a race, and thus his desire to maintain the tribal Jewish clique and whatever its Tribal, political agenda du jour happens to be, would thus be racist, per leftist doctrine.
So why doesn't he instead come out and say: I'm a religious Jew who rejects racial continuity between Jews, but recognize the religious connection? Because that wouldn't square with anti-religious, leftist doctrine, and additionally, because he knows that Jewish religious doctrine is itself inherently racial, as well.
What he does say is: I'm not going to let the neocons hijack the Jewish people for their own political ideology and agenda; but presumably, he would not object if leftists Jews did so, as they have in the past.
And what he ignores is that racist Jewish Zionist neoconservatism is, for all intents and purposes, a naked, organic, authentic manifestation of the Jewish ethno-religion, even more authentic and organic than was Jewish Bolshevism, which utilized (empty) humanitarian window dressing even more so than the neocons bother doing.
So it's Weiss that's being less true to the Jewish people and Jewish agenda than the neocons, and Weiss who is additionally guilty of attempting to co-opt the Jewish religion for his own political agenda.
But in all fairness, Weiss is no neo-Trotsky fanatic and Jewish sociopath in the vein of, say, anti-Christian, anti-White racist Tim Wise, but nonetheless, he still refuses to acknowledge the error and dishonesty of his Jewish leftist ways, which leads him into all manner of "stupid traps" like the one into which he fell above.
As someone who is non-tribal, I think it’s really interesting that Jews can be naked in their own tribalism and their beliefs in its redeeming qualities and value (as even Weiss is here), but when Whites speak or organize along the same lines, they’re automatically inferred to be Nazis.
I think Jewry can get away with this for two reasons:
1) They have inflated the Holocaust ™ to such a degree that anyone who might object to Jewish tribalism or even outright Jewish fascism can be easily derided as a Nazi who wants to see the Jewish people exterminated. Jewry has additionally taken this concept to the next level by deriding Whites organizing as Whites (even if they express no opinion whatsoever about Jewry, or even support Zionism) as gestating, would-be Nazis.
2) Liberal Diaspora Jews in particular have been able to paper over the innate aggression and malice of tribal Jewry with all manner of empty platitudes and window dressing ranging from “Tikun Olam” (their benevolent tribe is out to “repair” the world) to claims they represent minority “social justice” (their small tribe is out to protect the interests and civil rights of other vulnerable minorities).
My answer to each point is 1) the Jewish Bolsheviks bear a large measure of blame for the Holocaust (which, as noted, has been totally exaggerated by self-serving Jewry) by getting the mass murderous, statist-totalitarian ball rolling in the early Soviet Union by murdering and enslaving millions of civilian Christians, White Guard movement members, and anti-Communist dissidents, which incited a European climate of fear and loathing exploited by Hitler and Nazism, and
2) the murderous behavior of the Jewish Zionists in Israel, as well of the self-serving, abusive, intimidating, conspiring and dominating character of Jewish Zionists in the Democratic Party vis-à-vis other minorities shows what tribal Jewry really thinks about other minorities, and demonstrates their pure hostility and contempt towards them (consistent with Jewry’s instiutional contemptuousness of all Gentiles).